Brmlab November 2013

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C++ Academy
by Jakub Marek 28 Nov '13

28 Nov '13

A jeste jednou ahoj, at se nam to nemicha, samostatne vlakno pro C++. Stranka C++ Academy vytvorena na adrese: https://brmlab.cz/event/cppacad Neni zatim odnikud linkovana, cili si ji pekne prokliknete. Pokusil jsem se tam vypsat seznam zajemcu vysbirany z emailu, pokud tam nekdo schazi, prebyva, nebo tam chce napsat neco jineho, zkratka go for it and edit. Je tam i predbezny seznam temat a nastineni prubehu celeho "kurzu". Necham to chvili dozrat, at ma kazdy cas se dopsat (a vime, s kym mame pocitat) a pak otevru nejake hlasovani o dni a casu konani. Eremiell

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Nabijacka k lenovu v HW labe
by Peter Boráros 28 Nov '13

28 Nov '13

Z hw labu zmizla nabijacka: KDE JE?? ~pB~

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Kamerovy system v brmlabu ("oficialni")?
by Petr Baudis 28 Nov '13

28 Nov '13

Ahoj! Slibil jsem si oddychovy cas od brmlabu, zaroven ale citim potrebu jeste trochu konstruktivneji navazat na svuj predchozi mail a zkusit nastartovat to, co jsem navrhoval. Muj navrh je: >> Do verejne pristupnych brmlabich mistnosti oficialne umistit kamery porizujici zaznam z nich. << Objevuji se ruzne navrhy, jak situaci resit - zvlastni mistnost, vsechno (jen svoje!) cenne si odnest, atd. Nektere mi prijdou trochu problematicke, jine zase muzou byt potencialne slozite == zdlouhave na implementaci, a melo by se opravdu neco udelat uz co nejrychleji. Podari-li se implementovat nejake lepsi reseni, jak zamezit kradezim, muzeme tohle mit "vydiskutovane" v zaloze, nebo to implementovat jen docasne, protoze to neni moc tezke zrealizovat. Navrh implementace: Na dverich brmlabu bude jasne viditelne upozorneni o kamerach, primerena zminka bude i na brmlab.cz/place. Pouze obrazove (nikoliv zvukove) zaznamy. Budou automaticky archivovany pouze po jasne omezene obdobi (treba 30d; inventury atd. nedelame moc casto, takze kratsi cas mi prijde suboptimalni). Spravci zaznamu budou zvoleni dva zastupci Rady, kteri budou odpovedni za zajisteni jejich zabezpeceni. (Z toho hlediska treba asi neni dobre je archivovat nekde v brmlabu. ;) Pristup k zaznamum bude mit na vyzadani kazdy, kdo byl v danem casovem okne radnym clenem brmlabu; a to "eyes only" za asistence spravce zaznamu, aby se zamezilo nekontrolovatelnemu kopirovani a sireni zaznamu. Je nekdo, kdo by s popsanou implementaci mel velmi vazny problem? Pokud ano, vidite nejakou cestu, jak ji pro vas prijatelne zmodifikovat? (Podotykam, ze s naprostym streamovanim/zverejnovanim vsech zaznamu asi budou mit vazny problem zase jini lide.) Diky za zvazeni, -- Petr "Pasky" Baudis Sick and yet happy, in peril and yet happy, dying and yet happy, in exile and happy, in disgrace and happy. -- Epictetus

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lua + C++
by Jakub Marek 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

Cau lidi, mam pro vas dve nabidky. Prvni se tyka toho, ze jsem na devfestu mluvil s fuxoftem, ktery poslednich cca 5 let dela v lua a mel tam pomerne pekny asi dvouhodinovy talk ala intro to lua. Zkratka hodil sem s nim rec a byl by ochoten nam udelat nejaky kratky workshop, ale musime si pripravit seznam temat, o kterych bychom radi neco slyseli. Prozatim padli napady jak postavit v lua objektovy model a vzajemne bindingy s C(++). Druha vec se tyka toho, ze od tohohle semestru ucim C++ na Strahove a rikal sem si, ze kdyby o to byl zajem, muzu pripravene materialy pouzit i jinak. Pokud by o to byl zajem, muzu se pokusit nalit trochu toho C++ do brmzajemcu. Kurz, co ted ucim, je urcen pro zacatecniky, cili je to from scratch, neni treba o programovani vedet vzasade zhola nic, byt je to samozrejme vyhodou. Pristi semestr bych mel navazovat kurzem pro pokrocile, ktery uz bude zajimavejsi. Pokud by vas neco z toho zaujalo, dejte vedet. Eremiell

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C-SharpGrafika
by Juraj Saksun 26 Nov '13

26 Nov '13

Ahoj, umi nekdo grafiku v C# a ma zajem za uplatu udelat/pomoc s ukolem? http://fractal.dam.fmph.uniba.sk/~batorova/MPK2/MPK2-PG-3.pdf ... Neni to pro mne, pripadne bych dal kontakt. Jerry

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Rikejte mi Cassandra
by Jiri Dluhos 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

Ahoj, jak tak koukam, mam asi vestecky dar. Pred par tydny jsem z nahleho popudu zacal psat povidku, kde mj. vystupuje i obraz neceho jako brmlabu, opusteneho az na jednoho cloveka, se socroomem zabydlenym plysovymi medvidky, kteri delaji, ze vedou rozhovor, diky nekolika kopiim muaddiba (aby se ten jediny clovek, ktery zbyl, necitil uplne sam). Jen jsem to umistil do budoucnosti zhruba za 80 let... (a samozrejme, ten posledni clovek nejsem ja - me alter ego je v te dobe mrtve). J. D.

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Aktivni projekty - udrzba / aktualizace wiki
by Natálka 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

Provádím údržbu wiki - aktivní projekty Prosím lidi uvedene na tomto seznamu, aby u projektu na kterych pracují - aktivně , aby na počátku řádku napsali OK a poslali zpět na tlapka(a)brmlab.cz (mailto:tlapka@brmlab.cz) / tvoje.tlapka(a)seznam.cz (mailto:tvoje.tlapka@seznam.cz) díky za spolupráci tlapka :o) ==================================== ATA: - biofeedback,brainhacking - foodhacking HARVIE: - biofeedback,brainhacking - reprap - OK1BRM - Teslacoil - CubeSat - Data projektor mods RUZA: - biofeedback,brainhacking - bitcoin - brmburo - chaosVPN - GSM - Food hacking - Freak card - IPv6 - Reprap - Tool lending network - OK1BRM - Software Defined Radio - Tesla Coil - Crypto-anonymity knowledgebase - Urbex PBORKY: - biofeedback, brain hacking NIEKT0: - biofeedback, brain hacking - GSM - Freak Card - Software defined radio - Cubesat CHIDO: - projekt biolab - brmlab ledbar - Tesla Coil - Urbex PASKY: - projekt biolab - bitcoin - brmbot outdoor - brmburo - brmScope - brmlab ledbar - software defined radio - brmBar - Tesla coil TOMSUCH: - projekt biolab - brmScope JENDA: - projekt biolab - brmRTG - Freak card - Urbex KYKNOS: - projekt biolab - Food hacking NEPHIRUS: - projekt biolab - bitcoin - brmbar ledbar - MIGHT - reprap - OK1BRM - Software defined radio - Cubesat - Decoder BLUEBEAR: - projekt biolab STICK: - brmbot outdoor - brmburo - brmScope - brmRTG - brmbar ledbar - reprap KIKI: - software defined radio TUTCHEK: - brmbot outdoor - brmburo CZESTMYR: - brmbot outdoor TMA: - brmbot outdoor - brmburo - reprap ARCHIMEDES: - brmbot outdoor - cubesat AXTHEB: - brmbot outdoor - reprap - rBotC RAINBOF: - brmScope RAY: - brmRTG CIBA: - data retention BTR: - GSM - Freak card - IPv6 - Reprap - Software Defined radio B00LEAN: - GSM - Tool lending network SARGON: - GSM - Freak Card - brmlab ledbar - reprap - OK1BRM - Software defined radio SYSOP: - GSM - Software defined radio PLNT (PINT): - GSM LUI: - GSM LUKASH: - GSM - Freak Card FRANTISEK APFELBECK: - food hacking GYGAL: - interrative table - metal detector HEJAL: - interrative table DAN: - interractive table KUBICEKH: - brmlab ledbar STEVKO: - metal casting PRUSAIR: - reprap SWEZ: - reprap VTEC: - reprap BLACKHEAD: - tool lending network - decoder BLAMI: - tool lending network KAPPI: - OK1BRM - tesla coil MRKVA: - software defined radio - marx generator - Urbex SPARK: - tesla coil ABYSSAL: - arm devboard debugging PINKY: - weather sonde OVERDRIVE: - crypto anonymity knowledge base - Cpunk Box - Urbex ============================= za zkomoleniny nicku se omlouvam

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Ochrana soukromi v brmlabu
by brm zlodej 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

Nedavne udalosti dovedly vedeni brmlabu k rozhodnuti nainstalovat smirovaci kamery v brmlabu. Rozhodl jsem se tedy, ze pomohu vsem kdo chteji do brmlabu prijit a zachovat si svou anonymitu. Koupil jsem celovou svitilnu a pridal jsem do ni infra LED svitive diody. Takto hacknuta svitilna zabrani snimani tveho obliceje. Levne smirovaci kamery, ktere jsou v brmlabu nainstalovane nefiltruji infracervene svetlo a misto snimani tveho obliceje budou oslneny svetlem ze svitilny. Svitilnu lze take pouzit proti snimani klavesnice behem psani hesla a tajnych zprav. Celni pas drzici svitilnu lze zkratit a pripevnit na ud v pripade potreby se vymocit. Hacknutou svitilnu lze odeme zakoupit za 200,- CZK nebo 0.01202 BTC. Paypal: http://snipurl.com/brmzlodej Bitcoin: 1BRMLAB7nryYgFGrG8x9SYaokb8r2ZwAsX Kradez neni dobre brat na lehkou vahu, nekdo vas muze chytit. Lovu zdar, zlodej

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Fw: [sf-lug] fascinating story: How Munich rejected Steve Ballmer and kicked Microsoft out of the city
by Frantisek Apfelbeck 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

I can not resist and not to share this email from sf-lug. Many thanks! Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [Linux-ME] How Munich rejected Steve Ballmer and kicked > Microsoft out of the city > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 22:02:47 +0400 > Reply-To: Linux-middleeast(a)yahoogroups.com > To: linux-middleeast(a)yahoogroups.com > > Breaking up with Microsoft is hard to do. Just ask Peter Hofmann, the man > leading the City of Munich's project to ditch Windows and Office in favour > of open source alternatives. > > The project took close to a decade to complete, has seen the city wrestle > with legal uncertainties and earned Munich a visit from Microsoft CEO Steve > Ballmer, whose pleas to the mayor of Germany's third largest city not to > switch fell on deaf ears. > > Munich says the move to open source has saved it more than €10m, a > claimcontested > by > Microsoft<http://www.zdnet.com/no-microsoft-open-source-software-really-is-cheaper-in…>, > yet Hofmann says the point of making the switch was never about money, but > about freedom. > > "If you are only doing a migration because you think it saves you money > there's always somebody who tells you afterwards that you didn't calculate > it properly," he said. > > "Our main goal was to become independent." Peter Hoffman, project lead > > "That was the experience of a lot of open source-based projects that have > failed," Hofmann noted. They were only cost-driven and when the > organisation got more money or somebody else said 'The costs are wrong' > then the main reason for doing it had broken away. That was never the main > goal within the City of Munich. Our main goal was to become independent." > > Munich is used to forging its own path. The city runs its own schools and > is one of the few socialist, rather than conservative governments, in > Bavaria. > [image: Peter Hofmann speaks in Berlin] > Peter Hofmann speaks about Munich's open source migration at the Linux Tag > conference in Berlin. > Image: Stefan Krempl > > Becoming independent meant Munich freeing itself from closed, proprietary > software, more specifically the Microsoft Windows NT operating system and > the Microsoft Office suite, and a host of other locked-down technologies > the city relied on in 2002. > > The decision to ditch Microsoft was also born of necessity. In 2002 the > council knew official support for Windows NT, the OS used on 14,000 staff > machines at the council, would soon run out. The council ordered a study of > the merits of switching to XP and Office versus a GNU/Linux OS, OpenOffice > and other free software. > > As well as being tied to Windows upgrades, Munich faced becoming more > tightly locked into the Microsoft ecosystem with each passing year, Hofmann > said. > > "Windows has developed from a pure PC-centred operating system, like > Windows 3.11 was, to a whole infrastructure. If you're staying with > Microsoft you're getting more and more overwhelmed to update and change > your whole IT infrastructure [to fit with Microsoft]," according to > Hofmann, whether that be introducing a Microsoft Active Directory system or > running a key management server. > > "If you're staying with Microsoft you're getting more and more overwhelmed > to update and change your whole IT infrastructure." Peter Hoffman > > Free software was ruled the better choice by Munich's ruling body, > principally because it would free the council from dependence on any one > vendor and future-proof the council's technology stack via open protocols, > interfaces and data formats. > > The prospect of such a high profile loss, and other organisations following > Munich's lead, spurred Microsoft to mount a last ditch campaign to win the > authority back. A senior sales executive at the time told general managers > in EMEA "under NO circumstances lose against > Linux<http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2003-07-13-micro…>." > Steve Ballmer himself took time out of a skiing holiday to make a revised > offer in March 2003, followed two months later by Microsoft knocking > millions of Euros off the price of sticking with Windows and Office. > > The lobbying failed to change Munich's mind, and in June 2004 the council > gave the go-ahead to begin the migration from NT and Office 97/2000 to a > Linux-based OS, a custom-version of OpenOffice, as well as a variety of > free software, such as the Mozilla Firefox browser, Mozilla Thunderbird > e-mail client and the Gimp photo editing software. It became known as the > LiMux project, after the name for the custom Linux OS the council was > rolling out. > Making sense of the IT zoo > > Nine years is a long time for a desktop migration by anyone's standards, > but the LiMux project was always going to be more than a simple transition. > [image: Microsoft's Steve Ballmer] > Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer came to Munich and made the case for sticking > with Microsoft software. > Image: James Martin/CNET > > Originally planned as a soft roll out that would be complete by 2011, the > project was extended when it became clear that the migration to free > software would be more challenging than first thought. > > The complexity came down to the way IT was managed at Munich: twenty two > different units handling IT for different parts of the council and each > with differences in the Windows clients and other software they used, > varying patch levels and no common directory, user, system or hardware > management. > > "[The council] had 22 different units with their own IT, with totally > different kinds of systems for the networking, operating and user > directories. It was all a big zoo,” said Hofmann, adding there was no > detailed overview of the hardware each user relied upon or the software > they needed to do their job. > > Without a clear picture of its IT estate, Munich found it was taking too > long to deal with unexpected problems thrown up when rolling out LiMux. > > "If you set up an old PC with the new system you'd start recognising > 'Whoops, that isn't there or there's hardware that needs to be > reconfigured' and at that stage that's clearly too late. You have to know > what's going on before you roll it out." > > "We planned a slow migration, carrying out the migration and the > development of our LiMux client in parallel." Peter Hoffman > > Munich chose to standardise processes for capturing each department's > infrastructure and requirements and for testing and release management, at > the cost of adding several years to the project's completion date. > > "That took a large amount of time to get over these heterogeneous systems," > said Hofmann. > > A single unit was put in charge of maintaining and supporting the LiMux > client, as well as implementing and providing common tools for user and > system management. > > The nature of the project had changed, from a desktop migration to cleaning > up much of Munich's IT infrastructure and the way it was managed – a move > in keeping with the council's motto for the project: "Quality over time". > > In spite of the delay in completing the project, Hofmann said the authority > had always planned to take its time. > > "We never planned to carry out a big bang migration. From the start we > planned a slow migration, carrying out the migration and the development of > our LiMux client in parallel." > [image: LiMux logo] > Munich focused on The IT Evolution as the logo for its custom Linux > platform. > > The time taken to complete the project is one of many reasons that > Microsoft has attacked Munich's move to LiMux. Areport criticising the > project<http://www.scribd.com/doc/122167337/Studie-OSS-Strategie-der-Stadt-Munchen-…>, > produced by HP for Microsoft, claimed the Redmond software giant could > migrate 50 to 500 desktop PCs per day if upgrading to a Microsoft OS and > office, suite compared to the eight per day it said was being achieved > under the LiMux project. > > However, by Hofmann's reckoning, that slow and steady migration is one of > the reasons the project has largely managed to stay within its budget with > minimal disruption. The project finished within budget in October 2013, > with more than 14,800 staff migrated to using Limux and more than 15,000 to > OpenOffice. > Retooling for Linux > > A myriad technical challenges emerged as Munich tried to reconfigure an > infrastructure littered with proprietary formats and protocols to play > nicely with LiMux and free software. > > Large chunks of the software used by the council were built using Microsoft > technologies. For example, a sizeable proportion of Microsoft Office macros > were written in Microsoft's programming language Visual Basic, while other > departments were tied to Internet Explorer by a dependence on ActiveX. This > preponderance of lock-in interfaces was described as "awful" in 2010 by > then deputy head of the LiMux project Florian Schiessl. > [image: LiMux screenshot] > This screenshot of LiMux shows the major customization that Munich has done > to Ubuntu. > > As would be expected, the council has had to shell out a chunk of change on > getting applications to work on LiMux – a custom-build of the Ubuntu flavor > of Linux – some €774,000 as of last year. > > At the time the migration started, the council used about 300 common office > software programs, such as web browsers and e-mail clients, and 170 > specialised apps tailored to different roles performed by the council. > These specialised apps ranged from large-scale IT systems down to macros > and templates linked to Microsoft Office. > > Understandably, migrating these apps to run on the LiMux OS is one of the > areas where choosing LiMux over Windows cost Munich, with the work on > migrating apps to LiMux costing €200,000 more than porting them to a newer > version of Windows. > > Offsetting that is the estimated €6.8 million savings the council says it > had made as of last year from not having to licence a new Microsoft OS and > office suite. > > The lion's share of Munich's applications, about 90 per cent, are > accessible via LiMux. Most have been ported, while others are running as > web apps, inside virtualised containers or via terminal servers. > > A small number of apps have proven impossible to port, make accessible or > switch away from – particularly software whose use is mandated by the > German government – and have to be run directly on Windows machines. > > While the council has weaned itself off the majority of Microsoft > technologies, Munich still experiences friction where it rubs against > proprietary software in widespread use elsewhere. > > "We thought from the start we would have other organisations follow us but > it's really not easy." Peter Hoffman > > One of the main complaints from Munich staff using LiMux and OpenOffice is > about incompatibilities with Microsoft Office. Documents, spreadsheets and > other files display some fonts, pictures and layouts differently in > OpenOffice than in Microsoft Office, and changes to some documents are not > properly logged. > > Munich hopes to ease some of these problems by moving all its OpenOffice > users to LibreOffice, a process which will get underway at the end of this > year. Munich has worked with other users of LibreOffice, including > authorities in the German city of Freiburg and the Austrian capital Vienna, > to pay for updates to LibreOffice that should improve interoperability with > Microsoft's office suite. > > The complexity of moving from proprietary software after years of being a > Microsoft shop might explain why more organisations haven't followed in > Munich's footsteps, and why some, like the German municipality of Freiburg, > have given up on their own shift to open source. Last year Freiburg > scrapped plans to move to OpenOffice claiming it would have cost up to €250 > per seat to resolve interoperability issues. > > "We thought from the start we would have other organisations follow us but > it's really not easy," said Hofmann. > Cost > > Hofmann's warning against justifying the jump to free software on cost > alone seems well-grounded given how hotly Microsoft has contested costings > for the programme. > > Microsoft claims that, by its estimation, the LiMux project would have cost > considerably more than Munich has said. The HP report for Microsoft put the > project's price at €60.6m, far more than the €17m Microsoft claimed it > would have cost to shift to Windows XP and a newer version of Microsoft > Office. > [image: LiMux migration timeline] > > Munich stands by its assertion that it has cost the council less to drop > Microsoft than it would have to have stuck with it, and says Microsoft's > figures are based on bogus assumptions. > > The final cost will be released at the end of 2013, but in August 2013 > Munich said it had cost €23m to shift to LiMux and OpenOffice. Munich says > this is far less than the estimated €34m it said it would have cost to > upgrade to Windows 7 and newer versions of Microsoft Office. > > Where does the truth lie? Well Munich makes a good case for why much of the > work carried out during the LiMux project would have been necessary if the > council had decided to opt for a newer version of Windows, and how it has > saved money on top. > > By choosing to swap to LiMux and OpenOffice Munich was able to keep using > its old PCs for longer, something that Hofmann said would not have been > possible if it had chosen some of the recent versions of Microsoft Office > and Windows 7. > > Extending the lifespan of its PCs in this way had saved the council some > €4.6m as of last year, according to its official figures. > > And by Munich's reckoning, the same standardisation of the council's tech > infrastructure and administration would have eventually been necessary > whatever the OS and office suite chosen, said Hofmann. > [image: LiMux workstations chart] > > Training thousands of the council's staff to use a new OS and software is > another area where Munich believes the council would have faced equivalent > costs for both Microsoft and LiMux – claiming it would have set them back > €1.69m regardless of the system. > > "If we would have switched to Microsoft Office, the costs for the > e-learning platform would have been the same, and the new GUI for MS Office > would have required the same amount of training," said Hofmann. > > "[In fact] the GUI in OpenOffice is much more like MS Office 2000 than the > new MS Office GUI." > > Similarly the €6.1m bill for personnel to oversee the migration process > would have remained the same regardless of whether the council moved to > LiMux or a future Windows OS, in Munich's estimation. Currently up to 18 > people work at any one time work on development and maintenance tasks > relating to the operating system and office software for LiMux and Windows. > Freedom to work > > While many businesses might balk at the thought of not having a support > contract to pick up the pieces when their OS and office software goes > wrong, Munich feels far from adrift, said Hofmann. > [image: Munich's Victory Gate] > Victory Gate is a symbol of the City of Munich. Its Linux migration > declared victory in October 2013. > Image: iStockphoto/tzeiler > > A team of just 25 people at Munich develop, roll out and provide final > support for the Ubuntu-based LiMux client. A larger number of people look > after the everyday administration of the city's PCs but far fewer than the > 1,000 people cited in the Microsoft/HP report as implementing the LiMux > project. > > The authority doesn't have a support deal for the LiMux client, but instead > handles support itself with the help of various free software communities, > such as those supporting Ubuntu, KDE, LibreOffice and OpenOffice. > > "We are using the community way of support," said Hofmann. "We are finding > it to be effective, mostly." > > The model is allowing the council to help develop the software it uses in > order that it better suit its needs. > > "If you're only a customer with a support contract, it doesn't give you the > ability to change how things are put into Ubuntu or LibreOffice," said > Hofmann. > > "That becomes more possible when you work with the community." > > "We are using the community way of support." Peter Hoffman > > The same staff who develop LiMux are also responsible for the last level of > support, Hofmann said, adding the authority prizes the freedom it has to > work out how to resolve problems on its own. > > "We had an issue with OpenOffice in the past and a support contract > wouldn't have helped us because nobody else has this sort of problem, so we > would have had the choice to live with it or forget about it," said Hofmann. > > Instead Munich paid a company to resolve the issue for them, and put the > patch upstream. > > "The only downside is there's no-one to blame when things do go wrong, but > what's the advantage of that?" Hofmann said. > What does the future hold? > > Now that the migration to LiMux is complete, Munich plans to continue > developing LiMux (the next version is due out in summer 2014) and continue > to incorporate changes made to the Ubuntu LTS release it's based upon. The > authority will also continue to identify opportunities to migrate other > apps to run on the LiMux client so it can further reduce its Microsoft > footprint. > [image: Picturesque Munich] > Picturesque Munich is regularly ranked as one of the world's most liveable > cities. > Image: iStockphoto/Björn Kindler > > > Now that Munich is on a path to freeing itself from proprietary ties, > Hofmann says he sees no compelling reason for the authority to ever go back. > > "We saw from the start that if you're only relying on one contributor to > supply your operating system, your office system and your infrastructure, > you're stuck with it. You have to do what your contributor tells you to. If > they say 'There's no longer support for your office version', you have to > buy and implement a new one. You're no longer able to make those kinds of > decisions by yourself." > > He is hopeful that Munich will show other large organisations that it is > possible to make the jump to free software and, while it is a difficult and > time-consuming process, making it happen doesn't mean shutting down your IT. > > "It's the best thing you can do. I've been asked 'How come you say you're > up and running when Microsoft says you're already dead'," he said. > > Hofmann's response: "It is possible to do an open source migration and > still have the citizens not left alone. We're far from being dead." > > http://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-munich-rejected-steve-ballmer-and-k… > > _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug(a)linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/

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reverzení inženýrství radiosond - ZRUŠENO
by Pinky 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

přednáška se konat nebude

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