Re: [Brmlab] Home automation - Z-wave vs ZigBee

-- Rado1 rado (at) rado1.cz On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:14:08AM +0100, Robert Vojcik wrote: #> Pokial sa rozhodnete pouzit pilight, tak venujte pozornost stranke s #> odporucaniami: http://wiki.pilight.org/doku.php/advice #> #> Ale nic nieje nemozne :) #> #> 2014-03-18 10:05 GMT+01:00 Robert Vojcik robert@vojcik.net: #> #> Ja neviem mozno ze to bude offtopic ak som nepochopil temu tak sa #> ospravedlnujem. #> #> Ale ked som riesil ovladanie zasuviek na dialku najlepsim riesenim mi #> prislo kupit si 433 Mhz vysielac/prijimac z ebay alebo z ciny #> (investicia do 150 Kc). #> Napriklad: #> http://dx.com/p/433mhz-rf-transmitter-receiver-link-kit-green-221225 #> Nasledne som pouzival najlacnejsie spotrebice (zasuvky, vypinace, #> stmievace, cidla teploty) pracujuce na 433 Mhz (ceny tiez radovo v 100 #> korunach), maju ich vsade mozne. #> #> Co sa tyka samotneho softveru nieje problem si to nabastlit pripadne #> vyuzit nieco hotove: http://www.pilight.org/ #> #> Z-wave a podobne mi prisli zbytocne drahe a obmedzujuce. #> #> 2014-03-18 9:07 GMT+01:00 Rado1 rado@rado1.cz: #> #> Kedze sa chytili zatial len "nasi", budem pokracovat po nasom... #> #> ZigBee (pripadne najrozsirenejsia implementacia XBee) ma zaujalo uz #> pred #> vyse rokom. Velky vyber modulov, dostupna dokumentacia pre koderov... #> #> Kedze s jednocipakmi som sa naposledy hral pred 20 rokmi, tazko sa mi #> bude #> naskakovat naspat do tohoto vlaku. Hranie s *duinami ma zatial nelaka, #> tak #> isto hromadny nakup Rpi ku kazdej zasuvke. #> #> Ked som hladal hotove vyrobky, pre ZigBee toho moc nie je a ked je, je #> to #> vacsinou pre amerikanske zasuvky. #> #> Z-wave som tak akosi prehliadal, pretoze som bol zahackovany na #> ZigBee. #> Az som natrafil na tento produkt: #> http://www.fibaro.com/en/the-fibaro-system/wall-plug #> #> Z mojho pohladu je to killer aplikacia, pretoze nemusim rozmontovavat #> ziadne zasuvky (aj ked to mi ziaden problem nerobi). Mozem zacat #> prakticky #> len s meranim spotreby 2-3 spotrebicov v domacnosti (a to je moj #> primarny #> ciel "home automation"). Ked som nasledne hladal veci okolo Z-wave, #> nasiel #> som aj ine vyrobky (spinace/stmievace do vypinacovych krabic, #> zasuviek, #> dverne snimace - dokonca kombinovane s inymi velicinami) a ich ponuka #> mi #> pride lepsia - hlavne pre nase europske nasadenie - ako u ZigBee. #> Dokonca aj USB riadiacich modulov kompatibilnych s Linuxom mi pride #> lepsia #> ponuka. #> #> To, ze cipy vyraba jeden vendor - ano, pohladu "free world" - je zle #> a hnusne a kryptofasisticke, ale zasa mam vacsiu istotu, ze mi vyrobky #> viacerych vendorov budu spolupracovat (co u ZigBee vraj az taka #> samozrejmost nie je). Je mi jasne, ze si musim davat pozor, aby som #> kupil #> vyrobok s nasim RF pasmom. #> #> Teraz mi vlastne ide len o to, ci som nahodou v tej zaplave hype #> prezentacii k Z-wave vyrobkom neprehliadol nieco, kvoli comu si neskor #> budem buchat hlavu o stenu (slabe sifrovanie, silne rusenie s TV a #> pod,...). Takze ma zaujimalo, ci uz niekto z vas nevychytal slepe #> cestu #> a usetrim mi cas, peniaze a nastvanost mojej manzelky. :-))) #> #> Diky. #> #> P.S. Som si spomenul, ze zatial ma zarazilo len jedno - v navodoch k #> Z-wave #> vyrobkom je vzdy parovanie riesenie ako: vytiahnut riadiaci USB kluc z #> PCdla/servra, zmacknut na nom tlacitko, zmacknut tlacitko na novom #> module a #> cakat, kym ledky neohlasia sparovanie. To neexistuje ziadne softverove #> discovery bez nutnosti downtime uz existujucej infrastruktury? #> -- #> Rado1 #> rado (at) rado1.cz #> #> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:39:44PM +0100, Vitezslav.Zak wrote: #> #> Dne 17.3.2014 22:54, Ondrej Mikle napsal(a): #> #> >On 03/17/2014 11:28 AM, Rado1 wrote: #> #> >>Hi guys. #> #> >> #> #> >>Does anybody tried some of these protocols for home automation? #> #> >>I have read a lot of comparisons and don't know what way to go. #> #> >> #> #> >>I'm not good in HW development therefore I will not build my own #> devices. #> #> >>My plans are build existing devices, control them through some #> USB controller #> #> >>connected to my Linux home server. #> #> >We've bought few zigbee boards, they should have fairly large #> range. I don't #> #> >know about the Z-wave protocol. #> #> > #> #> >The zigbee boards' main problem was that they required some #> proprietary windows #> #> >utility to program them, which acutally does it via UART, so it's #> fairly simple #> #> >to sniff the commands. They may be already (unofficially) #> documented somewhere. #> #> > #> #> >Second problem was that the ones we got a fairly high failure rate #> (I think 2-3 #> #> >out of 5 simply refused to be programmed). Not sure if it was just #> bad luck. #> #> >Maybe I could find them somewhere and bring it to brm for testing. #> #> #> #> Some vendors sell devices with a proprietary sw layer on top of #> #> zigbee. Such devices might not work with others. #> #> #> #> Z-wave products *should* work flawlessly as any product marked as #> #> z-wave compatible has to be certified by z-wave alliance. �There is #> #> a shield board for raspi, called RaZberry, this is what I'm #> #> planning to start with. #> #> #> #> V. #> #> #> #> _______________________________________________ #> #> Brmlab mailing list #> #> Brmlab@brmlab.cz #> #> http://brmlab.cz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/brmlab #> _______________________________________________ #> Brmlab mailing list #> Brmlab@brmlab.cz #> http://brmlab.cz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/brmlab #> #> -- #> R�bert Voj� #> �mail: robert@vojcik.net #> XMPP: robert@vojcik.net #> #> -- #> R�bert Voj� #> �mail: robert@vojcik.net #> XMPP: robert@vojcik.net #> #> References #> #> Visible links #> . http://wiki.pilight.org/doku.php/advice #> . mailto:robert@vojcik.net #> . http://dx.com/p/433mhz-rf-transmitter-receiver-link-kit-green-221225 #> . http://www.pilight.org/ #> . mailto:rado@rado1.cz #> . http://www.fibaro.com/en/the-fibaro-system/wall-plug #> . http://rado1.cz/ #> . mailto:Brmlab@brmlab.cz #> . http://brmlab.cz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/brmlab #> . mailto:Brmlab@brmlab.cz #> . http://brmlab.cz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/brmlab #> . mailto:robert@vojcik.net #> . mailto:robert@vojcik.net #> . mailto:robert@vojcik.net #> . mailto:robert@vojcik.net #> _______________________________________________ #> Brmlab mailing list #> Brmlab@brmlab.cz #> http://brmlab.cz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/brmlab